Platonic realm

Platonic Realm

Definition:

Platonic Realm is the concept of a unified reality from which everything emerges.
 
The Platonic Realm (or World of Forms) is a philosophical concept from Plato describing a non-physical, perfect, and eternal reality where ideal “Forms” or “Ideas” exist, serving as perfect blueprints for everything in our changing, imperfect physical world (like the perfect Circle, Beauty, Justice). It’s a higher, more real dimension containing pure concepts, mathematical truths, and essences that our minds grasp through reason, not senses, making physical things mere copies of these timeless ideals. 

General aspects of the Platonic realm:

• Perfect Forms: Contains perfect, unchanging blueprints (e.g., the Form of “Dog” vs. individual dogs).
• Abstract & Eternal: Exists outside of time and space; concepts like numbers, justice, or beauty live here.
• Source of Reality: Physical objects are imperfect shadows or imitations of these true Forms, which are considered more real.
• Access via Mind: True knowledge comes from understanding these Forms through intellect and reason, not sensory experience, as explained in the Allegory of the Cave.
• Hyperuranion: Plato called this place the “place beyond heaven,” a realm of pure essence, visible only to the mind, according to Plato’s Phaedrus. 

 In essence, it’s a conceptual universe of pure logic, math, and ideals that underpins our tangible reality, making it a foundational idea in Western thought. 

The Platonic Realm: A Universe of Pure Ideas. Plato argued that the physical world is a shadow of a higher reality

 The Platonic realm which is transcendent outside space and time, sits “alongside” the mind realm and the physical realm, these last two  realms are both evolutionary and within  space and time.
The Platonic Realm
 is described as a:

“place beyond heaven”

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The reality of the Platonic realm:
Mathematics and the existence of the laws of nature imply the reality of the Platonic realm

Theoretical physicist Paul Davis :”All physicist are Platonist whether they realize this or not.”
Heisenberg wrote in an article (which is placed on this website) that the Quantum theory proved that the reality  is Platonic.
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Higher worlds
These higher worlds  are invisible to our physical senses, but who are  objective  
However next to the non-physical Platonic realm, which is outside space and time, there are also higher worlds, which are within   space and time,   where the out of the body experiences are located.
These are the so called heavens.
Yet a realm of objective experience and of social contacts between conscious personalities.

Plato called these higher  non-physical worlds, which are within  space and time, “The intermediate world”
This differentiation between the platonic realm and the heavens  is clear in his statement that the
” The Platonic realm is a place beyond heaven”

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Platonic forms

Platonic forms (Universals) exist within the Platonic realm
The term doesn’t only refer to geometric shapes, but also to aesthetic forms, ethical forms, mathematical forms and other abstract qualities.

hey are not located in space or time, while they are called geometric forms. However  their spatial properties are not the same as those which we are familiar within the physical world, but they exist as a non-local resonance.
(See: the Octagon).

Platonic realm

There is an abstract purely ideal content, or intention of things which are a  part of the formative aspect itself which is also not spatial.
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Platonic instigation in the physical world:

So there is similarity between   mathematical configurations (in the Platonic realm) and the structure the physical world.
This process by which this is realised is called platonic instigation
The physical world is structured according to mathematical structures and natural laws with an extreme precision. The question is how abstract principles, which have no physical existence and , influence  the physical world?  

As the physicist John Wheeler puts it: “How is it possible that mere information ( the wave function ‘software “ should in some cases modify the real state ( the “hardware “) of macroscopic things?” This The process itself is called Platonic instigation. Platonic instigation is based upon similarity, not upon proximity.
The “mechanism”: When a physical object corresponds to a platonic form, be it imperfect.

Platonic form influences the physical form by non-local resonance.

For example an oval shaped object is pushed in the direction of a circle shape. Analogue to a star which becomes sphere-shaped by gravity. This however brings forward a new question: Mathematical entities and natural laws are abstractions, and abstractions have no causal power.
This was brilliantly illustrated by the theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking: “What puts the fire into the equations.” While Stephen Hawking wasn’t religious orientated, this points to a transcendent ordering / organising principle.
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Synchronicities and archetypes

Synchronicities are the manifestation of striking similarities, which is concerned with acausal relationships. All kinds of very striking parallelisms occur in the world punt Like is the case with archetypes, however, Jung didn’t explain how synchronicities come into being.

First of all it is necessary to differentiate between platonic archetypes that are outside space and time, and Jungian archetypes that are within space and time.

Archetypes find their origin Archetypes are platonic forms that are outside space
When within the (human) mind a mental circumstance manifests itself, which corresponds with an archetype within the platonic realm shall manifest itself by non-local resonance within space and time on the mental plane. For example as an intuition.

Synchronicity starts as a potentiality which exist within the platonic realm,
the mental realm (what Plato called the intermediate realm) and manifests itself as

outside space and time goes through the mental realm (what Plato called the intermediate realm) and manifests as an actuality in the physical world.
Similar is the way mathematical configurations (from within the platonic realm) structure the physical world.
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Central principles of the Platonic realm

Time
In the Absolute / Platonic realm the past, present and future exist simultaneously; they are, they do not happen. This point of view was brought forward by mystics thousands of years ago. Einstein’s view on this matter:

He famously wrote that the “distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion,” a concept stemming from his theory of relativity, which shows simultaneity is relative, meaning there’s no universal “now”.
While this implies all moments—past, present, and future—might exist simultaneously in a “block universe,” challenging our sense of time’s flow, it’s debated whether Einstein truly believed time didn’t exist, or just that our perception of a flowing time was a limited, human construct.

What Einstein Meant (and Didn’t Mean): Relativity & Spacetime: Einstein’s theory unified space and time into spacetime.

Because observers in different frames of reference experience events (and time) differently, there’s no single, absolute present moment for the entire universe.

The Illusion: The “illusion” is our everyday experience of time as a steady, universal flow from a fixed past, through a fleeting present, to an open future.

The Block Universe: This view suggests all moments (past, present, future) are equally real and exist as a single, static block of spacetime, much like points in space. Our focus point of consciousness just moves through it, creating the feeling of time passing.

Not a Denial of Reality: Even within this block universe idea, time isn’t necessarily abolished; rather, our subjective experience of its flow is what’s considered an illusion. 
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The physicist Luis de Broglie puts the same thing differently: “In space-time everything which for each of us constitutes the past, the present and the future is given in block, and the entire collection of events, successive for each of us which forms the existence of a material particle is represented by a line, the world line of the particle …Each observer, as his time passes, discovers, so to speak, new slices of space-time which appear to him as successive aspects of the material world, though in reality the ensemble of events constituting space-time exist prior to his knowledge of them.”

De Broglie writes about the  four-dimensional universe. Here the concept of a Block Universe in which all moments (past, present, future) are equally real and exist, has great similarities with the concept of a platonic realm which all moments (past, present, future) are equally real and exist.

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The term “absolute”  in philosophical discourse, it refers to that which is unconditioned, independent, and ultimate. It suggests a reality that is beyond all forms of relativity and remains complete in and of itself.

The Absolute as Perfection: The Absolute is often conceived as a state of perfect being or existence.

The Absolute as Self-Sufficiency: It is entirely self-contained, requiring no external cause or condition.

The Absolute as Ultimate Reality: It is often equated with the ultimate ground of existence or the highest metaphysical principle.

In Hinduism, the concept of the Absolute is most closely associated with Brahman, the ultimate, formless, and unchanging reality.

Mysticism

In mystical traditions across cultures, the Absolute is often experienced as an ineffable, transcendental reality beyond the grasp of the human intellect. Mystics describe their encounter with the Absolute as a state of union or oneness with the divine or ultimate reality.
The world is seen as a reflection or manifestation of the Absolute

For Hegel, the absolute is “spirit.”

One has to distinguish between the concept of the Absolute from the concept of  God (as the holy spirit), as a process within time
In many cases Platonists acknowledge the transcendental Absolute, but ignore Plato’s concept of the intermediate world, the (not-physical) mental world  which is within space and time. 

If one compares the religious concept of the Absolute to the concept of the Platonic realm as indicated here above, one sees that these two concepts are in essence identical.

If the concepts of the Platonic realm with its  mathematics and the laws of nature that form a central role in science, is in essence identical with the Absolute, than here is a connection between science and religion.

The platonic forms within the platonic realm, are thoughts in a transcendent  divine mind.
  
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Objective morality

Mathematicians and scientists generally agree that mathematical structures and the laws of nature, are objective and eternal.

But are moral laws, as claimed by Plato and within Christianity also objective?
That there are objective moral truths has been denied by others.
They claim that morality has developed in time, and that some actions which were seen as moral in the past are seen as immoral now.
That is certainly the case, but mathematical knowledge has also developed in time, while its principles are eternal.

That something has objective eternal and unchanging, doesn’t mean that all its aspects are realised in its totality at the same time.
A heliocentric solar system exited before it was realised.   

Some would like to replace what is seen as moral laws derived from a metaphysical absolute by pure human laws this to emphasized the need for human beings to create their own values, but the twentieth century showed  that atheistic political systems such as Fascism, Nazism, Stalinism and Maoism did lead to more than 60 million deaths, ethnic cleansing, the reintroducing of slavery and many other crimes against humanity.
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Contemporary

In modern philosophical and theological discourse, process theology views the Absolute as a dynamic, evolving reality
This dynamic, evolving reality does take place within time, however not in the Absolute but in the mental realm.
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Modern physics and the transcendent  

The American philosopher Ken Wilber wrote:
“Individuals such as Albert Einstein, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schrodinger, Louis de Broglie, Max Planck, Wolfgang Pauli, Sir Arthur Eddingrton- the vast majority of them were idealists or transcendentalists of one variety or another. And I mean that in a rather strict sense. From de Broglie’s assertion that “the mechanism demands a mysticism “to Einstein’s Spinozist pantheism, from Schrodinger’s Vedanta idealism to Heisenberg’s Platonic archetypes: these pioneering physicists were united in the belief that the universe does not make sense- and cannot satisfactorily be explained – without the inclusion, in some profound way, of consciousness itself. “The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine“ As Sir James Jeans summarized the available evidence. And, using words that virtually none of these pioneering physisists would object to, Sir James  Jeans pointed out that it looks more and more certain that the only way to explain the universe is to maintain that it exists “ in the mind of some eternal spirit.“
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The perception of the platonic realm

While philosophy is a conceptual approach to the Absolute, the question is whether a direct perception of the Absolute / Platonic realm is possible?

In this context one has to look at Cconsciousness Cconsciousness is to a greater or lesser degree a reflection of -and a unitary participation in bedoelde je hier streepje ? the Absolute punt

Consciousness is a direct contact with the Absolute / Platonic realm.

Erwin Schrodinger, the Nobel Prize-winning cofounder of quantum mechanics:
  “Consciousness is a singular of which the plural is unknown”

What does that mean literally ?
This implies that any form of consciousness is a direct contact with the Absolute.

The totality of the platonic realm is consciousness.
This implies that consciousness is a direct contact with the platonic realm.

The perception of the platonic forms:
According to Kurt Gödel, who is regarded as the greatest logician that ever lived, is mathematical insight based upon the non-sensory perception of the platonic realm.
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Intuition

Intuition is directly related to the platonic realm.
There is some kind of intuitive intellectual awareness which is quite different from ordinary conceptual thinking.

Deep insights are not inductive (based on logical deduction) but intuitive.
There is a direct phenomenological apprehension.

According to Roger Penrose intuition in the platonic realm is not faith, but understanding
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Platonic instigation remarks upon the connection with the Absolute.
An example of this instigation in physics is

what is called;: “the collapse of the wavefunction” in which non-local information becomes localised in space and time. 

It concerns the structuring of the physical world on mathematical principles:

For Philo, the Logos is the instrument by which the transcendent divine makes the world.  And he identifies it too with the Platonic world of forms, or eternal ideas.

The theme is repeated by Plotinus (205 – 270AD), the founder of Neo-Platonism.  Nous, the divine mind, is the first emanation from the One (the transcendent unity-Absolute).  And the divine mind is the world of forms because it thinks them. The world of forms contains the archetypes of all things that are.  
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Archetypes exist in their own right, on their own plane. In addition to archetypes of single qualities, there are archetypical structures that connect these such as:
Units – sets – classes – Laws
Within set theory, many collections of sets turn out to be proper classes. Examples include the class of all sets, the class of all ordinal numbers, and the class of all cardinal numbers.

Platonic forms, viewed collectively, as comprising and implying one another, they constitute the Idea of the Good.
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Platonic realm       cognitive structure

Number theory and Theoretical   physics

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9    Octonians              
The octonions can be thought of as octets (or 8-tuples) of real numbers Every octonion is a real linear combination of the unit octonions: where e₀ is the scalar or real element; it may be identified with the real number 1.
What is the difference between quaternion and octonion?

Octonions have eight dimensions; twice the number of dimensions of the quaternions, of which they are an extension.  

Physics: principles of String theory 

8  Quaternions
The quotient of two directed lines in a three-dimensional space, or, equivalently as the quotient of two vectors.
Physics: Quantum field theory and general relativity theory       

7  Complex numbers      principles of Quantum  physics

the combination of real and imaginary numbers
Schrodinger’s  equation

6  Reals (numbers)

Numbers that can be used to measure a continuous one- dimensional quantity such as a distance, duration or temperatureMinkowski  space.
Non-Euclidian  geometry
 Riemannian  geometry
 Maxwell’s  equation
Physics: Special relativity theory

5  Rationals (numbers)    

Any number that can be written as a fraction, where both the numerator (the top number) and the
denominator (the bottom number)

Differential and integral  Calculus 
Euclidian geometry 
Physics: Newtonian

4  Integers (numbers)       principles of comprehensiveness
Any number that can be positive, negative, or zero.

3  Whole numbers           principles of provability
any positive number

2  Natural numbers        principles of counting

1  Units                             principles of quantity (more or less)
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Mystics for millennia described phenomena which were confirmed within the experiments and the worldview of the modern theoretical physicist.
Telepathy       Non-local connection
Precognition    The simultaneous existence of the past, now and the future in a block universe                 

The Absolute      The platonic realm
Creation              The Big Bang

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Platonic realm, wave function
Plato described the Platonic realm and the platonic forms  as being outside space and time, the wave function is nonlocalised in space and time.